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anemone
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Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/6/2017 11:36:44 AM
I can't recall the last time a movie moved me the way this film did. Clint Eastwood presents an honest portrait of war (the beauty of brotherhood, the horror of literally walking through death, the pain of dealing with survival).

The images made me feel like I was getting a real glimpse at the lives of the men who served during WWII. The actors more then carried their own weight. They made you understand these were not characters they were acting out, they were representing real men.

To often today war movies are used to actively promote war or to demonize it. I appreciated that this film let me make up my own mind. "Flags of Our Fathers" is a movie that will stay with you. Isn't that what great movies are supposed to do? This film reminds us why movies are important.

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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/6/2017 1:13:26 PM
"Letters From Iwo Jima" was every bit as good. Perhaps better.
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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/6/2017 1:25:25 PM
Juim-I thought that movie was in Japanese-so that is why I have not seen it!??

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Jim Cameron
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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/6/2017 2:47:17 PM
Most of it is, since the actors all speak in their native languages, but it is well subtitled. The two movies are essentially bookends, and deserve to be viewed in that way.
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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/6/2017 2:50:32 PM
Thanks Jim-that being said- I will give it a try and get back to you.

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wazza
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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/6/2017 6:29:43 PM
You definitely need to see both movies to gain the full impact of these men's stories.

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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/6/2017 8:07:03 PM
Didn't see Flags of Our Fathers because the book was available. Hadn't heard of Letters From Iwo Jima, but just found out it isn't a book. In finding this out, I noted that there is both a English sub-titled version and a English dubbed version. Can't imagine which would be the better version for an authentic experience.

As for Mr Eastwood, I think he is finally gaining the reputation he deserves as a director. I haven't seen all his directoral work, of course, but love the way he brings out so much in his actors.

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Michigan Dave
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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/7/2017 8:17:18 AM
Brian,

I think you just "made Eastwood's day"!?

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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/7/2017 11:19:41 PM
I will echo the previous assessment that FLAGS is a good picture and LETTERS a great one. The former is a solid combat film that meanders a bit and doesn't really break any new ground for the genre, while LETTERS is just so unexpected, thoughtful, and tragic for an American studio picture. I would definitely recommend watching it with subtitles; I always like to hear the actors' actual voices.

As far as Eastwood's filmmaking, he's certainly steadily improved over fifty years. I started to consider him a "good" director after BRONCO BILLY (1980) wryly weighed his heroic image, and "great" after BIRD (1988), his biopic of jazz great Charlie Parker. The Academy gave him his first Oscar four years later for UNFORGIVEN, which I'd still call his masterpiece.

His acting has likewise grown over the decades. His sadness in TIGHTROPE (1984) first impressed me, and the world-weariness he brought to IN THE LINE OF FIRE (1993), and then the ultimate test for an actor: convincingly holding the screen in a lead role opposite Meryl Streep, as he did in BRIDGES OF MADISON COUNTY (1995). MILLION DOLLAR BABY (2005) is a major achievement as well, and if you want to see him in something truly unexpected, try his little-seen WHITE HUNTER, BLACK HEART (1990), where he credibly evokes the mannerisms of the late, great John Huston as he prepares to make THE AFRICAN QUEEN.
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anemone
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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/8/2017 10:59:38 AM
What is barely hinted at in "Flags of Our Fathers" explodes here i "Letters from Iwo Jima". The battle scenes are among some of the best ever put together in a movie, the claustrophobia and horror of the cave experience eats away at whatever little hope we have for anything even remotely close to a good ending. The spirit of these men face horrors no one should ever have to witness, and their choices are all tainted by the greed and the evils of others.

There are scenes of magnificent dignity as Watanabe's officer shows us the dilemma of being in his position, as he tries to satisfy the demands placed on him by his country, and his respect for human life. There is the figure of the baker, as the man who just happens to be in the middle of a place he can't understand.

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Re: Flags of our Fathers--2001 War Movie
Posted on: 5/12/2017 2:02:41 PM
Told you it was good!
What impressed me was that it was, as Jon said, so unexpected. "Flags of Our Farthers" was getting all the attention before it was released. There was some mention that Eastwood was also working on a companion piece from the Japanese side, but almost as an afterthought. Then "Letters From Iwo Jima" comes out, and all but eclipses the first one.
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