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bill
McSherrystown, PA, USA
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 | | Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 1/31/2013 7:30:03 PM | Does anyone know for certain if Lockwoods brigade was wearing the 12th corps badge during the battle? Its hard to believe they would have had time to be issued, sewn on, etc. Just wondering if there is "hardcore" proof one way or another.
Bill Fean
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| krtrains
North Point, MD, USA
Posts: 375
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 1/31/2013 7:49:31 PM | Great question Bill, I would love to see any photos
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| Mike Johnson
Stafford, VA, USA
Posts: 2946
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/1/2013 10:18:14 PM | I doubt it, just as Stannard's was unlikely to be wearing a blue circle/disk (1st corps) as well.
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| Rick Schaus
Capon Springs, WV, USA
Posts: 1575
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/2/2013 1:55:20 PM | I agree that the brigade was assigned to the AoP, and joined the army too late to have a chance to affix the corps symbols to their caps.
The 150th NY was first to reach the AoP, and that was on 27 June, the other two regiments arrived even later.
The 150th NY would have had the best, if slim, chance to add the corps’ symbol.
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| Jim Cameron
North Bellmore, NY, USA
Posts: 2209
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/2/2013 6:15:55 PM | The 124th NY was still wearing blue corps badges (3rd Division, 3rd Corps) despite it having been reassigned to the First Division (red badges) when the 3rd Division was broken up and consolidated about two weeks before the battle.
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| Mike Johnson
Stafford, VA, USA
Posts: 2946
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/2/2013 9:52:10 PM | Three infantry brigades were attached from the 8th corps to the AoP as they marched through Maryland. All three were about to be released home anyway as their enlistments were about to expire. Fessenden's brigade had already completed its tour by the time of the tour and had been sent home. Stannard's and Lockwood's were only days away from going home during the battle. I really doubt any regimental commander was really concerned about procuring the insignia.
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| gettysburgerrn
massapequa, NY, USA
Posts: 776
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/3/2013 3:26:00 PM | What units were in fessenden's brigade?
Ken
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| Jim Cameron
North Bellmore, NY, USA
Posts: 2209
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/3/2013 4:08:59 PM | Fessenden's brigade was actually part (1st Brigade) of Abercrombie's Division, 22nd Corps, Department of Washington. It consisted of the 25th and 27th Maine regiments.
Abercrombie's division was essentially transferred to the AOP during the march north. The division's 2nd brigade was Stannard's VT brigade, which became part of the AOP's 1st Corps. Its 3rd Brigade was Alexander Hays' brigade of NY troops (39th, 111th, 125th and 126th), also reassigned to to the AOP, becoming part of the 2nd Corps. Hays stepped up to division command on joining the AOP, the briagde becoming Willard's.
Other units joining the AOP from Abercrombie's division included Bigelow's 9th Mass battery, the the 2nd CT Independent battery.
All in all, Abercrombie's division proved a noteworthy addition to the AOP, even if it did not remain intact.
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Every time I go to Gettysburg, I learn two things. Something new, and, how much I still don't know.
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| Rick Schaus
Capon Springs, WV, USA
Posts: 1575
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/3/2013 6:40:25 PM | Francis Fessenden was a veteran officer, who began his service as a CPT in the 19th ME, fought, and was wounded at Shiloh, and had commanded the 25th ME.
He would continue to serve, lose a leg, and eventually be promoted to Major-General of Volunteers, and retire as a BG in 1866.
The two Maine regiments (nine months) were requested to remain in the service due to the emergency caused by Lee’s invasion.
The 25th ME declined as did most of the 27th ME.
However 250-300 men of the 27th ME agreed to stay, and part of their incentive was that they would each receive a Medal of Honor for staying on.
” GENERAL ORDERS, WAR DEPARTMENT, ADJT. GENERAL 'S OFFICE,
Numbers 195.
Washington, June 29, 1863.
The Adjutant-General will provide an appropriate medal of honor for the troops who, after the expiration of their term, have offered their services to the Government in the present emergency; and also for the volunteer troops from other States that have volunteered their temporary service in the States of Pennsylvania and Maryland. By order of the Secretary of War:
E. D. TOWNSEND,
Assistant Adjutant-General."
The story of those men of the 27th ME and their Medals of Honor, was told by John J.Pullen in his book, A Shower of Stars, The Medal of Honor and the 27th Maine .
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| Larry Purtell
Little Meadows, PA, USA
Posts: 1823
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/5/2013 9:40:23 AM |
Quote:Three infantry brigades were attached from the 8th corps to the AoP as they marched through Maryland. All three were about to be released home anyway as their enlistments were about to expire. Fessenden's brigade had already completed its tour by the time of the tour and had been sent home. Stannard's and Lockwood's were only days away from going home during the battle. I really doubt any regimental commander was really concerned about procuring the insignia.
--Mike Johnson
Lockwoods brigade equals 150th NY,1st MD Eastern Shore and 1st MD Potomac Home Brigade. The 150th NY went west with the 12th Corps and was discharged 6/8/65,the 1st MD E.S. would go to the Middle Dept and be discharged 2/23/65. The 1st MD P.H.B. would go to the Dept Of West Virginia and be discharged 4/8/65. I agree there was no reason or time to isuue these troops Corps insignia.
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| Ray Davis
New Oxford, PA, USA
Posts: 43
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/5/2013 11:31:16 AM | Quick questions. Were the corps badges issued to the men or were the men responsible to obtain them for themselves? Were the corps badges a required part of the uniform?
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| Jim Semler
Princeton Junction, NJ, USA
Posts: 717
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/5/2013 12:21:57 PM | Did the 27th Maine see action at Gettysburg? If so, with what unit or units?
Jim Semler
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| Larry Purtell
Little Meadows, PA, USA
Posts: 1823
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/5/2013 12:28:26 PM |
Quote:Did the 27th Maine see action at Gettysburg? If so, with what unit or units?
Jim Semler
--Jim Semler
Here you go Jim. Not at Gettysburg.
TWENTY-SEVENTH INFANTRY
(Nine Months)
Twenty-seventh Infantry.--Cols., Rufus P. Tapley, Mark F.
Wentworth; Lieut.-Cols., Mark F. Wentworth, James M. Stone;
Majs., James M. Stone, John D. Hill. Most of the members of
this regiment came from York county and were rendezvoused at
Portland, where the regiment was mustered into service Sept.
30, 1862, to serve for nine months. They left on Oct. 20 for
Washington, arriving there on the 22nd. On the 26th it marched
to Arlington Heights, where it remained doing picket duty until
Dec. 12th, when it was ordered to the south of Hunting creek.
Here it relieved a Vermont brigade in the duty of guarding a
picket line 8 miles long, extending from the Potomac near Mount
Vernon to the Orange & Alexandria railroad, and remained here
in the performance of that duty throughout a severe winter
until March 24, 1863. It then moved to Chantilly, Va., doing
picket duty on the outermost line of infantry in the defenses
of Washington. On June 25 it returned to Arlington Heights.
The term of service of the regiment had already expired, but
315 of the officers and men volunteered to remain and if
necessary assist in the defense of the capital against the
forces of Gen. Lee, who had then commenced his great invasion
of Pennsylvania. On July 4, after the result of the battle of
Gettysburg was announced, the regiment left for Maine and
arrived at Portland on the 6th, where the men were mustered out
on the 17th. The 27th left the state with 949 men, and lost 82
men by death, discharge and resignation.
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| scoucer
Berlin, Germany
Posts: 2243
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/5/2013 12:33:08 PM |
Quote:Did the 27th Maine see action at Gettysburg? If so, with what unit or units?
Jim Semler
--Jim Semler
No Jim, they stayed in the Washington Defences.
Trevor
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| Rick Schaus
Capon Springs, WV, USA
Posts: 1575
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/5/2013 12:44:54 PM |
Quote:Quick questions. Were the corps badges issued to the men or were the men responsible to obtain them for themselves? Were the corps badges a required part of the uniform?
--Ray Davis
” CIRCULAR.] HEADQUARTERS ARMY OF THE POTOMAC,
March 21, 1863.
For the purpose of ready recognition of corps and divisions in this army and to prevent injustice by reports of straggling and misconduct through mistake as to its organization, the chief quartermaster will furnish without delay the following badges, to be worn by the officers and enlisted men of all the regiments of the various corps mentioned. They will be securely fastened upon the center of the top of the cap.
Inspecting officers will at all inspections see that these badges are worn as designated:
First Corps, a sphere-First Division, red; Second, white; Third, blue.
Second Corps, trefoil-First Division, red; Second, white; Third, blue.
Third Corps. lozenge-First Division, red; Second, white; Third, blue.
Fifth Corps, Maltese cross-First Division, red; Second, white; Third, blue.
Sixth Corps, cross-First Division, red; Second, white; Third, blue. (Light Division, green.)
Eleventh Corps, crescent-First Division, red; Second, white; Third, blue.
Twelfth Corps, star-First division, red; Second, white; Third, blue.
The sizes and colors will be according to pattern.
Map.
By command of Major-General Hooker:
S. WILLIAMS,
Assistant Adjutant-General.”
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| Ray Davis
New Oxford, PA, USA
Posts: 43
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/5/2013 1:16:26 PM | Thanks Rick!
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| Jim Cameron
North Bellmore, NY, USA
Posts: 2209
| | Re: Lockwoods Brigade | | Posted on: 2/5/2013 11:53:12 PM |
Quote:Quick questions. Were the corps badges issued to the men or were the men responsible to obtain them for themselves? Were the corps badges a required part of the uniform?
--Ray Davis
As already pointed out, by and large they were issued. Some AOP regiments at Gettysburg had joined the army on the march north, or actually on the battlefield itself, and wouldn't have had time to acquire them. But I'm not sure how completely furnished with corps badges even the longer term regiments were. I'd suspect they were reasonably common, but that it was probably short of 100%.
Officers, BTW, would often wear private purchase corps badges. These were often in the form of pin-on devices.
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Every time I go to Gettysburg, I learn two things. Something new, and, how much I still don't know.
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