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anemone
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B24 v B17 in WW2 ETO
Posted on: 8/14/2017 1:12:05 PM
The B-24 loss rate in the ETO was actually ever so slightly better than that of the B-17.

The B-24 flew 226,775 sorties with 3,626 losses or 1.60% while the B-17 flew 291,508 sorties with 4,688 losses ie almost a thousand aircraft more or 1.61%.The question this begs- is why????Construction,defensive armament,targets,fighter cocer,etc.

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Jim Cameron
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Re: B24 v B17 in WW2 ETO
Posted on: 8/14/2017 2:45:11 PM
I would imagine that there were many variables, but is a .01% difference really statistically significant?
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Re: B24 v B17 in WW2 ETO
Posted on: 8/14/2017 2:56:36 PM
No- it's not Jim, but the thousand aircraft is-this is, of course, linked directly to the number of sorties made; and why and where they were made.Was the B17 a better bomber than the B24- is a fair lead question IF it is how so???

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brian grafton
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Re: B24 v B17 in WW2 ETO
Posted on: 8/14/2017 3:33:28 PM
I would argue that there is no statistical significance in the two loss rates, to be honest. I'm assuming that the losses you mean are action-related a/c write-offs, and do not include training and other accidental write-offs. I also wonder if the air crew loss rates would be as close as the a/c ones.

From what I understand, the two a/c were quite dissimilar in key ways, at least on paper: B-24 was rated as having 25% more bomb load capacity; B-17 had higher theoretical ceiling. The B-24 appears to have been a more adaptable a/c, perhaps because of its greater range and/or its easy acceptance of Tokyo tanks". B-17 outgunned the B-24, IIRC, and was recognized as "rugged"; the B-24's reputation (perhaps because of the high aspect ratio of its wings) was considered more "fragile". I don't know that I have seen data on escape ratios, and that could be telling, nor do I know about crash survivability rates.

I'm not qualified to compare the relative challenges of the various theatres of operations in which the two a/c operated. You specifically state you're talking about the ETO, but for some that includes Mediterranean Command. In the general reading I've done on the US air war, I seem to have read a lot about geographical distinctions, with B-17s based in England and B-24s based progressively in Libya, Sicily and Italy, but that doesn't jibe with my vague awareness of a large number of US Groups flying B-24s out of England.

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Re: B24 v B17 in WW2 ETO
Posted on: 8/14/2017 3:47:33 PM
The undermentioned link is a pretty hefty piece of data,but I think it may answer some of the questions relating to these two US heavy bombers



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17thfabn
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Re: B24 v B17 in WW2 ETO
Posted on: 9/11/2017 11:21:25 PM
It would seem that the B-24 got into action a little latter than the B-17.

Would the quality of the German Air-Force have been degraded some by the time B-24 got into action in large numbers?

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Re: B24 v B17 in WW2 ETO
Posted on: 9/12/2017 5:01:51 AM
Hi-given that both bomber aircraft commenced operations over the Third Reich c. March 1942 onwards;-they would both face a Luftwaffe in Defence of the Reich at a peak IMO.

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Michigan Dave
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Re: B24 v B17 in WW2 ETO
Posted on: 9/12/2017 9:15:44 AM
Hi Jim,

Great article, but as the preceeding bomber it seems the B17 losses were a little heavier, that's not to say the B24 was heads above the 17?

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BTW My Uncle Leo got shot down over Germany flying in a B-17, he didn't have 1st rate accommodations in his German Prison Camp!
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