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BWilson

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The Long Shadow of 1917
Posted on: 12/10/2016 12:07:29 PM

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The Russian people’s 21st-century notion of what they call ‘the Great Patriotic War’ bears little relationship to our own. It ignores Stalin’s 1939-41 pact with Hitler, and the fact that the Luftwaffe planes that bombed London in the Blitz were powered by Russian fuel. President Putin has made unlawful all published mention of the unspeakable cruelties the Soviet regime inflicted on its own citizens — shooting an estimated 300,000 soldiers for alleged desertion or cowardice — in order to prevail. Antony Beevor’s books, and for that matter my own, are nowadays banned because they describe the Red Army’s 1945 campaign of rape and pillage in Germany.


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Phil andrade
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Re: The Long Shadow of 1917
Posted on: 12/10/2016 5:17:11 PM
There are still prominent people - exemplified by Seamus Milne and James Schneider - who would recoil from Max Hastings' assessment.

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scoucer
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Re: The Long Shadow of 1917
Posted on: 12/11/2016 2:16:21 AM
Personly, I find Hastings and Beevor two rather obnoxious personalities and appalling historians as well.

Trevor
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Some swim with the stream. Some swim against the stream. Me - I´m stuck somewhere in the woods and can´t even find the stupid stream.

BWilson

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Re: The Long Shadow of 1917
Posted on: 12/11/2016 2:58:28 AM

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Personly, I find Hastings and Beevor two rather obnoxious personalities and appalling historians as well.

Trevor
--scoucer


 Oddly (for me) is how historiography and its products have a way of becoming popularity contests. In a single book, I both despised and admired Hastings' way of handling various topics. He would do much better to stay away from topics about which he is ill-informed.

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BW
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With occasional, fatigued glances at life's rear-view mirror from the other side of time.

Society's righteous paranoia lows profoundly. -- random wisdom of a computer

Phil andrade
London, UK
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Re: The Long Shadow of 1917
Posted on: 12/11/2016 4:24:40 AM
Seamus Milne, leading light of British hard left Momentum, will - IIUC - insist that Stalin and his rule are in need of rehabilitation in the way they are perceived .

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"That will depend, my Lord, on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."

Earl of Sandwich and John Wilkes

scoucer
Berlin, Germany
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Re: The Long Shadow of 1917
Posted on: 12/11/2016 7:40:26 AM

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Seamus Milne, leading light of British hard left Momentum, will - IIUC - insist that Stalin and his rule are in need of rehabilitation in the way they are perceived .

Regards, Phil
--Phil andrade


One can but try

Trevor
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Some swim with the stream. Some swim against the stream. Me - I´m stuck somewhere in the woods and can´t even find the stupid stream.

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