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kaii
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Chinese in the Baltic
Posted on: 7/19/2017 7:12:29 PM
A Chinese Destroyer passed the danish straits today, entering the Baltic Sea where it will take part in joint manoeuvres with the Russian Baltic Fleet based in Kaliningrad.

Interesting statement by the Chinese.


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Michigan Dave
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Re: Chinese in the Baltic
Posted on: 7/20/2017 8:06:28 PM
The Baltic is kind of far from China?
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Lightning
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Re: Chinese in the Baltic
Posted on: 7/21/2017 7:54:13 AM

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The Baltic is kind of far from China?
--Michigan Dave


Indeed, but so are many of the bases that the US and other western powers keep overseas around the world.

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kaii
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Re: Chinese in the Baltic
Posted on: 7/21/2017 11:08:20 AM

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The Baltic is kind of far from China?
--Michigan Dave


Indeed, but so are many of the bases that the US and other western powers keep overseas around the world.

Cheers,

Colin
--Lightning


Quite so, this is clearly a statement from China: 'if you meddle in our back yard - i.e. South China Sea - we can meddle in your back yard".

The joint Russian-Chinese training has been known for a year so it is not a surprise as such, but still a potent statement.
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kaii
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Re: Chinese in the Baltic
Posted on: 7/21/2017 7:30:46 PM
And here is Dimitriy Donskoiy, a Typhoon class, passing through Danish waters today, having sailed along the coast of Norway from Severomorsk, heading for Kaliningrad,



The Russians are building up firepower before they invade and take Belarus in september....sorry, before the joint manoeuvres with Belarus in september.
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brian grafton
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Re: Chinese in the Baltic
Posted on: 7/21/2017 9:08:31 PM
Kai,

Sorry, but I have lost track of what's going on with Belarus. Last I remember, there were some questions concerning it's commitment to Russian foreign policy. Has that now changed sufficiently that any "joint exercises" are really reassertions of Russian power in Belarus? If so, this cannot be good news for Ukraine. Russian control in Belarus does rather proved a perfect panzer moment for Russian forces, does it not?

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kaii
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Re: Chinese in the Baltic
Posted on: 7/22/2017 2:50:08 PM
Brian,

the relationship between Belarus and Russia is uncertain at best at the moment, but the long planned Zapad-17 joint exercise is still scheduled to go ahead in September.

The Zapad exercises in Soviet times were massive propaganda efforts, the biggest one i 1981, and after Russia revived them, the earlier Zapad type exercises in Russian times have so far been used as excuses for military build up to attack Ukraine (Zapad 2013), Georgia (Kavkaz 2008) and Chechnya (1994).

This time the plans are massive, involving some 70k troops in Belarus and Kaliningrad, and the Russians have booked some 4,000 rail carriages to take equipment for two full Divisions into Belarus for the exercises. They have, however not been quite as diligent when ordering rail capacity to take the equipment out again, which obviously could give the impression that they are planning to stay...There have also been several "teporary" bases constructed in Belorussian territory, but given that the buildings have solid concrete foundations, they do not appear to be very temporary as such (i.e. one would expect tents and plywood huts, not concrete barracks and hardened aircraft shelters...).

Lukashenko is sufficiently worried to have ordered defensive positions built along the Minsk-Moscow highway, and has mobilised mostly reserve units to take part in Zapad-17, whereas the professional Belorussian army will be "observing" but not take direct part. Question, of course, is whether the Belorussian army would fight the Russians - one one hand the Belorussians are better prepared and equipped than the Ukrainians were, on the other hand they are bound to be even more infiltrated by Russian personnel at all levels.

Taking control of Belarus makes perfect strategic sense for Russia, of course, especially if Lukashenko stops towing the Moscow line and start flirting with the EU as well - like he did by lifting visa restrictions for EU citizens.

It'll be well worth keeping an eye on events in September in the region.
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