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kaii
Edinburgh, UK
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NATO enhanced Forward Presence battlegroups
Posted on: 9/17/2017 5:05:01 PM
The four enhanced FP battlegroups in the Baltic states and Poland are now fully operational.They currently contain:

Estonia (UK led battlegroup) total 1200 troops

-UK 800 troops
1 mech infbn, Challenger 2 MBTs, AS90 SPH, Engineers, ISR

- France 300 troops
1 mech inf coy, Recce unit, Engineers, Artillery

- Hungary 100 troops
1 mech inf coy

Denmark is due to join in 2018 with 1 mech inf coy and Leopard 2A5 MBT's)

Latvia (Canadian led battlegroup) total 1138 troops

- Canada 450 troops
1 mech inf bn, 1 Recce platoon

- Albania 18 troops
EOD engineers

- Italy 160 troops
1 mech inf coy

- Poland 160 troops
1 PT-91 MBT coy

- Slovenia 50 troops
1 CBRN platoon

- Spain 300 troops
1 mech inf coy
Leopard 2E MBT's
Engineers

Croatia, Czech republic and France will join in 2018

Lithuania (German led battlegroup) total 1022 troops

- Germany 450 troops
1 mech inf bn
Leopard 2A6 MBT's
Pz2000 SPH's

- Belgium 100 troops
Support elements (logistics, medical)

- Luxembourg 22 troops
integrated into the Belgian support elements

-Netherlands 250 troops
1 mech inf coy

- Norway 200 troops
1 combined arms coy
Leopard 2A4 MBT's

Poland (US led battlegroup) Total 1270 troops

- United States 1000 troops
1 mech inf bn
Towed artillery

- Romania 120 troops
1 air defence battery

- United kingdom 150 troops
1 Recce squad


All in all about a brigade worth of forces, albeit a heavy brigade.
Although fairly strong and well equipped forces that would do serious damage to any invading force, these are ultimately what would be considered trip wire forces and their primary role is essentially to die in the most spectacular way so that political outrage in Europe would trigger an Article 5 response to any Russian incursion into the Baltics or Poland.
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Michigan Dave
Muskegon, Michigan, MI, USA
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Re: NATO enhanced Forward Presence battlegroups
Posted on: 9/17/2017 5:31:38 PM
Kai,

In addition to the battle groups, do the nations involved, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, & Estonia,

also have forces involved?? (if so what strength?)

Hope cooler heads prevail!?
MD
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BWilson

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Re: NATO enhanced Forward Presence battlegroups
Posted on: 9/18/2017 1:18:15 AM
Kai,

 I thought the U.S. part of the battlegroups was a squadron of cavalry on Stryker vehicles vice a mechanized infantry battalion. [Read More]

 There are now apparently two (?) U.S. heavy brigades in Poland (not part of the battlegroups). The original brigade will "walk" the new brigade into the Central Europe mission and gradually pull out. I notice, however, they arranged to have two brigades here during ZAPAD.

Cheers

BW
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BWilson

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Re: NATO enhanced Forward Presence battlegroups
Posted on: 9/18/2017 1:21:25 AM

Quote:
Kai,

In addition to the battle groups, do the nations involved, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, & Estonia,

also have forces involved?? (if so what strength?)

Hope cooler heads prevail!?
MD
--Michigan Dave


Dave,

 Not per se as part of these NATO battlegroups, but yes, their national armies are available as NATO assets if a crisis comes. Each of the Baltic States has about a brigade of troops; Poland has three divisions and several independent brigades. [Read More]

Cheers

BW
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kaii
Edinburgh, UK
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Posts: 1884

Re: NATO enhanced Forward Presence battlegroups
Posted on: 9/18/2017 5:43:49 PM

Quote:
Kai,

 I thought the U.S. part of the battlegroups was a squadron of cavalry on Stryker vehicles vice a mechanized infantry battalion. [Read More]

 There are now apparently two (?) U.S. heavy brigades in Poland (not part of the battlegroups). The original brigade will "walk" the new brigade into the Central Europe mission and gradually pull out. I notice, however, they arranged to have two brigades here during ZAPAD.

Cheers

BW
--BWilson


Bill, could be. I took the update from Janes Defence Weekly, not NATO itself, so it is possible there has been a mix up of where the US forces formally slot in.

I believe it is correct that there are two brigades in Poland at the moment yes, one will leave their equipment in pre-positioned storage, if I understand correctly. Pres Trump increased the budget for US Forces in Europe to cover this some time back I think.

K
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kaii
Edinburgh, UK
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Posts: 1884

Re: NATO enhanced Forward Presence battlegroups
Posted on: 10/10/2017 2:31:06 PM
NATO announced today the establishment of a new composite brigade to be stationed permanently in Romania, as part of the general NATO build up in the East. The brigade will consist of forces from 9 nations, the bulk of which will be 4,000 soldiers from Romania itself, as well as 900 US troops and forces from Spain, Portugal, Italy, Albania etc. Both UK and Italy will also contribute air assets to be stationed in Romania.


K
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