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Michigan Dave
Muskegon, Michigan, MI, USA
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Pirates and National Alliances
Posted on: 10/19/2017 3:20:23 PM
A great article of the motivations of Piracy, It seems rigid rules and economics by certain countries brought piracy on themselves, by being to strict with their treatment, of their own colonies! Also in wars countries sent pirates against their enemies!?

A great article on the topic from American Heritage; I highly recommend reading this short article, & reply?

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Pirates, Arghhhh!
MD

Pirate music, btw, seriously lets discuss piracy!?

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Michigan Dave
Muskegon, Michigan, MI, USA
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Pirates and National Alliances!
Posted on: 10/19/2017 6:01:29 PM
Most Pirates of the 17 & 1800s were most of the time in support of National interests, although some pirates were self serving others were approved by rulers of their home nations?

Here is a list of the 10 most famous pirates of all time which ones actually helped a certain nation!?

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What say you about these blood thirsty pirates??
MD

And we can't forget this guy!!??

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Surely that was the way it really was!!??

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from that, to this!

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Michigan Dave
Muskegon, Michigan, MI, USA
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Pirates and National Alliances! Modern day anti-pirate tactics!
Posted on: 10/22/2017 5:06:46 PM
Take Sir Francis Drake and other English Pirates, approved by the Crown to plunder Enemy ships, especially the Spanish!

Other countries also sponsored Piracy, can you name some examples?

What say you?
Cheers,
MD

BTW Any new news on modern day piracy? Here is how you handle modern day pirates!

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Michigan Dave
Muskegon, Michigan, MI, USA
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Re: Pirates and National Alliances! Modern day anti-pirate tactics!
Posted on: 10/23/2017 4:55:24 PM
The RN gets into the act of catching modern day pirates!

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OpanaPointer
St. Louis, MO, USA
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Re: Pirates and National Alliances! Modern day anti-pirate tactics!
Posted on: 10/24/2017 7:40:56 AM
Some information on privateers in the War of 1812 can be found here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/USN/

George
Centre Hastings, ON, Canada
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Re: Pirates and National Alliances! Modern day anti-pirate tactics!
Posted on: 10/24/2017 2:53:35 PM
Nova Scotia has a great sea faring history and during the War of 1812, that area produced some of the most successful privateers in history.

Here is one:

The Liverpool Packet, ship's master was Joseph Barss.

The Liverpool Packet was a smallish two masted schooner. Only 53 ft long with a 6 foot hold, she was armed with 5 cannon. The crew of 45 carried muskets and cutlasses.

That ship and her master, Joseph Barss were the terror of the east coast and this was the most successful privateer on either side.

Interesting the way that the privateers worked. They were governed by a set of regulations.

Upon receiving a Letter of Marque from the government, they could prowl the seas and seize ships. They would place a "prize crew" on board to sail the captured vessel back to a British port where the items seized were catalogued.

Barss Letter of Marque said that he was entitled:


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“to apprehend, seize and take any ship, vessel or goods belonging to the citizens of the United States or bearing the flag of said United States.” It also required that he “abstain from all predatory acts on shore or upon any unarmed fishing vessel peaceably following the said fishery.”


Items seized were auctioned and the government took its cut and so did the ship's master and crew.

The odd time, the government would assess the prize and determine that it was an illegal seizure and the vessel and goods would be returned to the owner.

Joseph Barss and all the masters of ships operating under a Letter of Marque had to post a bond to cover costs should they make an illegal seizure.

The difference between a privateer and a pirate was that, at least during the War of 1812, if the privateer was captured, he would be treated as a POW, once.

If paroled and caught again as a privateer, he could then be treated as a pirate. One of the conditions of parole was that the privateer would swear that he would never do it again.

These privateers didn't have the respect of the RN and they could also not be pressed into naval service. Their status gave them a measure of protection from impressment.

So effective was the Liverpool Packet that shipping from US ports came to a standstill. Boston merchants had to pay a fortune to send goods overland between Boston and Providence.

But alas, the Americans offered a reward to any privateer who could capture the Liverpool Packet and Thomas Shaw took up the challenge.

He with a ship that was twice the size of the Liverpool Packet finally came alongside and a brawl ensued. The LP was taken and the crew paraded before hateful crowds in Providence.

Joseph Barss was paroled but he took up privateering again. The LP was captured from the Americans and returned to the British.

The US ship, the Thomas, that had captured the LP was in turn captured by the British and the new captain appointed was none other than the infamous Joseph Barss, who had been paroled.

Toward the end of the war, Barss was captured and his second stint in US prison, where he was harshly treated, did him in. He died in Nova Scotia af few years after the war at the age of 48 and in ill health.


Joseph Barss, the greatest privateer of the War of 1812. This man's exploits at sea made him famous in his time. He was bold and daring. He often seized US merchant vessels from right under the nose of US war ships.



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