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dt509er
Santa Rosa, CA, USA
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USS Fitzgerald collison
Posted on: 6/18/2017 1:41:30 PM
Human error will no doubt, IMO, be the main cause in the findings but I ask and wonder how does this happen with the advanced technology available on US warships alone?

The tanker has some serious damage to it but obviously the USS Fitzgerald and her crew took the blunt of this hit. With the finding of the "missing" sailors now known, this tragedy I imagine is sending profound reverberations throughout the US Navy.

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morris crumley
Lawrenceville, GA, USA
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Re: USS Fitzgerald collison
Posted on: 6/18/2017 6:48:29 PM
Very intersting-disturbing dt.

Hard to imagine the level of "human error" possible given the modern technology at play on Navy vessels today. I mean this is really fishy to me. This would almost have to be some deliberate act, would it not?

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kaii
Edinburgh, UK
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Re: USS Fitzgerald collison
Posted on: 6/18/2017 10:34:32 PM
I noticed the container ship did a very strange u-turn before the collision.Still very strange that a DD can be hit like that in, as far as I understand,fairly good weather conditions.

I understand the ship was hit right in spot where the crew accommodation is located and that several of the dead sailors were probably asleep in their bunks when it happened.
Horrible.
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OpanaPointer
St. Louis, MO, USA
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Re: USS Fitzgerald collison
Posted on: 6/19/2017 1:17:00 PM
I doubt a container ship would be agile enough to pick a specific spot on a cruiser to ram.

kaii
Edinburgh, UK
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Re: USS Fitzgerald collison
Posted on: 8/21/2017 6:48:12 PM
And now USS John McCain has also crashed with a merchant ship off Singapore.

Could it be radar issues?

Admittedly as USN warships operate in the most heavily trafficked areas of the globe, accidents are more likely to happen, but two collisions in short time with two fairly new and advanced Destroyers of the same class seems dodgy to me.

Thoughts?
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morris crumley
Lawrenceville, GA, USA
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Re: USS Fitzgerald collison
Posted on: 8/21/2017 9:23:15 PM
I find the odds of "human error" being almost nill at this point. This is a pattern.

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George
Centre Hastings, ON, Canada
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Re: USS Fitzgerald collison
Posted on: 8/22/2017 7:12:20 AM
What else could it be Morris?

Are you suggesting that a tanker targeted a US warship?

I noted that the Defence Dept. has instructed the USN to instruct fleet commanders to take an arbitrary day to examine procedures on board ship to ensure that they are sound. I don't know the mechanics of that but operational demands will not be compromised.

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George

jahenders
Colorado Springs, CO, USA
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Re: USS Fitzgerald collison
Posted on: 8/22/2017 4:42:36 PM
There are a few other possibilities:

1) It IS possible that a tanker targeted US warships in both McCain and Fitzgerald. If a terrorist organization (or nation state) can convince guys to blow themselves up or fly airplanes into buildings, they could certainly convince a driver of a civilian tanker/container ship to pull a bone-headed maneuver at just the right time (no maneuvering room, ships close, etc.) so it makes avoidance very difficult.

2) There's some speculation that hacking could be involved. So far the Navy is saying there not seeing evidence of that, but it could be hard to find and doesn't necessarily have to be ON the ship. Someone could be spoofing/meaconing their GPS or some such. Alternately, someone could hack or meacon the tanker while leaving the destroyer unaffected (until the crash).

Human error is certainly possible, but does seem unlikely in multiple cases with multiple crew members involved each time.

BWilson

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Re: USS Fitzgerald collison
Posted on: 9/15/2017 8:21:27 AM

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“However, if an adversary wanted to perform this attack, the easier vector of approach would be to attack the merchant ship involved instead of the warship.”

“The merchant ship will have common commercial radar equipment that will be easier to hack, and the bridges of the merchant ships are quite often only manned by one watchstander in the middle of the night,” Zimmerman explained. “So, if you hack the merchant’s radar so it provides no warning to the watchstander or the ship’s autopilot, you now have a 50,000 ton ballistic missile traveling at 15 knots.”
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