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James W.
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'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/20/2017 6:25:07 AM
Tank movies seem to be a bit like a mix between 'bomber aircraft' & 'submarine' movies.

I recently saw 'Fury' on TV, where the the PTSD ridden, but professional in their duties - (apart from the usual cynical killer/god-botherer extra-mural stereotypes) - ( & strangely like 'Dark Star' - the classic Sci Fi flick, in certain ways) veteran US Sherman tank crew took on a last moment ( untrained in tank doings ) replacement, & who then ironically survives the rest, in a heroic final showdown against hapless Nazi last-gasp neophyte SS- stormtroopers..

Oddly, I just watched the virtual opposite scenario, in a film named 'Lebanon' from 2009, where an incompetent, cobbled together IDF reservist tank crew is sent in support of a ruthlessly elite paratrooper unit ( of proper 'SS' style) to clear Lebanese villages in the Sharon invasion.

Filthy, fearful, slow-reticent, disloyal & pathetically hapless/disorganised, the tank crew is shown as basically 'hiding' in the 'womb' of the their 'mother' tank, but ready to let 'her' down too, despite the power she projects, & the protection she offers, ( filmed very 'claustrophobically', the tank is not seen from the outside, until the last shot, in which they are all (but one) saved by their tank, - which is revealed to be a 'Centurion'..

wazza
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/20/2017 4:25:09 PM
I have both on DVD and much prefer Lebanon. I also have 'The Beast' which is a Hollywood made production about a Soviet tank crew lost/cut off in Afghanistan. Its worth checking out.
There's a really old B&W British movie about a Tank battalion set in WWII. Follows some recruits that enlist, train and then fight in Normandy. The name escapes me at the moment.

James W.
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/20/2017 6:08:56 PM
A couple of war movies which include memorable tank crews would be 'Kelly's Heroes',
with an anachronistic 'hippie' style 'Oddball' Sherman tank boss & his "Negative waves" tech-support,
plus a surprisingly sympathetic portrayal of the opposition Tiger crew, even if nominally Nazi..

'1941' plays tank buffoonery for laughs, yet also shows some the of damage they can do..

& not while not strictly a 'war movie' as such, 'Buffalo Soldiers' also has an excellent black comedy tank rampage scene,
which ironically serves as a microcosm of peacetime US Forces as internationally untouchable 'wise guys'...

wazza
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/21/2017 2:17:18 AM
'They were not divided' was the British tank movie I was thinking of!
Honourable mention to James Garners 'Tank' starring a very nice Sherman and 'Jim Rockford'!!

Michigan Dave
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/21/2017 6:59:42 PM
Also really the original Desert Fox movie, is mostly a "Tank Movie"!

I really like how James Mason portrayed Rommel!

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BTW Hitler was always killing off his best officers!?

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James W.
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/21/2017 11:35:59 PM
To be fair, Rommel had long been a favourite of Adolf's, being the former commander of his bodyguard unit.
& Hitler did let Rommel get away with much more than his Ostfront generals, inc' ignoring his 'no retreat' orders..

Rommel was past his 'best by' date, anyhow & was busted for 'treason', so he got off pretty lightly really..

Stalin would have any of his generals that acted equivalently getting 'the treatment' in Lubyanka & his family in the gulag...

Back to subject, I have a vague recall of a movie with a German infantry unit taking on Soviet tanks, I'm not certain if
it was 'Cross of Iron', or a Stalingrad movie..

littlepowell
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/23/2017 1:39:37 PM
I have only seen Fury out of those movies. It was good but not great. The battle scenes were awesome and intense but there was just something missing about the movie as a whole. Can't quite put my finger on it.
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/23/2017 4:42:39 PM

I liked a lot of FURY-- especially Brad Pitt channeling Lee Marvin-- right up until it feels like they ran out of money.

You can almost hear the studio guy calling: "Hey, remember how we were going to end with an even bigger tank battle? Well, uh, here's what we're thinking instead: Brad's tank busts a tread, or something. So it just has to sit there. And then all these Germans come. On foot. And at night. So you can't really see much. Could be awesome, right?"
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James W.
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/23/2017 6:53:41 PM
Yeah, that last part where the grizzled veteran/wily survivor played by Pitt basically decided to commit suicide, esp' with the other
crew members colluding with him - didn't really add up. A bit too post-Tarantino, I think..

Contrast his action with the 'Big Red One' depiction of war weariness, or Steve McQueen's 'Hell is for Heroes' for sardonic gung ho stuff..

Likely, Pitt's crew would've decided he needed a 'section 8' assessment, & frogmarched him back to US lines..

Nor did the ludicrous SS attack make sense, since S.O.P. was to safely pop a panzerfaust (RPG)- into any suspicious Sherman, straight-up..


Suspension of disbelief/reversion to 'Rat Patrol'-style ineptitude by the Germans spoiled 'Fury' for me, even the 'duel' with the Tiger,
-since the Tiger was in fact capable of turning in its own length, by running one track forwards, & the other in reverse..





Michigan Dave
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/23/2017 7:39:35 PM
James,

Rat Patrol, did you mean these guys??

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OpanaPointer
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/23/2017 8:46:27 PM
How about "Tank", with James Garner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAbkNu_rF50

BWilson

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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/24/2017 1:07:56 AM

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How about "Tank", with James Garner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAbkNu_rF50
--OpanaPointer


 I seem to recall that had a realistic depiction of a senior NCO giving a 'counseling session'.

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James W.
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 1/24/2017 4:58:40 AM

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James,

Rat Patrol, did you mean these guys??

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Sure did, Dave.. I watched that show as a kid, even though my dad hated its B.S...
He wouldn't let me watch 'Garrison's Guerilla's' though, being too violent for a small boy..

( I really liked the 'Dukes of Hazzard' too, a bit later on, quite similar really 'The mountain/dunes might get 'em but the Cops/Nazis never will!').

& my mother really liked the Rat Patrol's resident bad-guy boss Nazi,
as she fondly remembered him - when he later popped up as Victor Newman - playing a similar role, in 'The Young & the Restless' soap..

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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/10/2017 12:03:34 PM
In " Fury " did not the Tiger advance out of cover, thereby giving the Sherman's a chance to outflank it and then fire into its weaker rear armour ? No Tiger commander would ever have done that, since he would have known that this was a well established Sherman tactic. He'd have stayed in the hedgerow, coming out only enough to traverse his turret across the width of the field in order to destroy the U.S. tanks piecemeal. The useless guns of the Sherman's ( none of them being 17 pdr. equipped British Fireflies ) wouldn't have dented the frontal armour of the Tiger.

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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/10/2017 8:24:36 PM

Quote:

I liked a lot of FURY-- especially Brad Pitt channeling Lee Marvin-- right up until it feels like they ran out of money.

You can almost hear the studio guy calling: "Hey, remember how we were going to end with an even bigger tank battle? Well, uh, here's what we're thinking instead: Brad's tank busts a tread, or something. So it just has to sit there. And then all these Germans come. On foot. And at night. So you can't really see much. Could be awesome, right?"
--jon zelazny


I agree. That's exactly what I felt the movie did in the end.

wazza
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/11/2017 3:37:43 AM
It had so much potential, especially with the Tiger tank but no.............. they left the reservation!!!!

mick
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/13/2017 8:06:03 AM
I liked the Tank scenes in 'Cross of Iron' also the film 'The Beast' also known as 'The Beast of War'about a Russian tank that gets lost during the war in Afghanistan
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wazza
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/13/2017 5:33:27 PM
The Beast showed some pretty good drills when the tank is actually fighting which is good. There was a film with Denzel Washington where at the start of the film he is a tank commander in the Gulf War, that had pretty good crew drills as well.

Jim Cameron
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/13/2017 8:12:01 PM
Sahara. Still a classic!
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wazza
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/14/2017 5:43:33 PM
Hmmmm, which one, the original or the remake? Nice Lee tank and some good interior shots for sure!

Michigan Dave
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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/14/2017 7:12:19 PM
The true Tank!?

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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/14/2017 7:38:24 PM

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also the film 'The Beast' also known as 'The Beast of War'about a Russian tank that gets lost during the war in Afghanistan
--mick


Yes, that was pretty good.

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Re: 'Tank' Movies.
Posted on: 4/15/2017 8:41:19 AM

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Hmmmm, which one, the original or the remake? Nice Lee tank and some good interior shots for sure!
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The original, of course!
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