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Dick Evick
Waco , TX, USA
Posts: 142
Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/11/2017 10:11:58 AM
What was the size ratio in terms of fighting infantry troops?

Certainly there was some variance but approximate numbers?

Thanks,

Dick.


Phil andrade
London, UK
Posts: 2474
Re: Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/11/2017 10:22:12 AM
If Gettysburg is anything to go by, the confederate divisions - and corps, for that matter - are significantly larger than their union counterparts.

Fifty per cent larger, at least.

A Union corps of twelve thousand ; a confederate corps of twenty thousand.

Regards , Phil

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John R. Price
Wilkes-Barre, PA, USA
Posts: 454
Re: Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/11/2017 11:55:02 AM
Dick,

In all honesty I think the difference is in the Divisions. Most Union divisions were based on 2-3 brigades with 5-6,000 men while most Confederate Divisions were based on 4 brigades or 7-9,000 men. Confederate Corps were more standardized at 3 Divisions while Union Corps were anywhere from 2 to 5 Divisions in many cases based on the confidence of the army commander in individual corps commander. Obviously I'm talking 62-63 with the strength numbers especially for the Confederates.
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Dick Evick
Waco , TX, USA
Posts: 142
Re: Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/11/2017 12:04:38 PM
Thanks John & Phil the Gettysburg numbers were of most interest.

Dick.

BWilson
, Posts: 3292
Re: Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/15/2017 1:40:20 PM
John,

 Interesting comments on corps size. I wonder if a "hidden benefit" of the Confederate corps having a usual maximum of three divisions was that a commander's span of control was not too strained.

Cheers

BW
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John R. Price
Wilkes-Barre, PA, USA
Posts: 454
Re: Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/15/2017 6:09:58 PM
BW,

Not really because there would be more brigades in a Confederate Corps because the Confederacy had very few 2-3 brigade divisions while the Union had many. Plus the 5 division cprps for the Union was the exception not the rule.
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BWilson
, Posts: 3292
Re: Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/16/2017 2:55:23 AM
Thanks John.

Cheers

BW
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penney
new york, NY, Posts: 1
Re: Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/25/2017 7:26:46 AM
war is not good for every nation,

Michigan Dave
Muskegon, Michigan, MI, USA
Posts: 2745
Re: Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/25/2017 9:36:12 AM

Quote:
If Gettysburg is anything to go by, the confederate divisions - and corps, for that matter - are significantly larger than their union counterparts.

Fifty per cent larger, at least.

A Union corps of twelve thousand ; a confederate corps of twenty thousand.

Regards , Phil


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Mike Johnson
Stafford, VA, USA
Posts: 490
Re: Union Corps / Confederate Divisions.
Posted on: 8/27/2017 6:27:48 AM
I would submit that the union corps and the confederate division played roughly comparable roles. For one thing, this is where the infantry and artillery came together formally in the structure (at Gettysburg and in other battles). Lee planned in terms of divisions and Meade planned in terms of corps.
The confederate corps were rarely concentrated on the march, but the confederate divisions were. The union corps were also generally so concentrated.