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Michigan Dave
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Quote:What's your take on Operation Werewolf in 1945, they talk of ramming planes in the air!? Rather radical.from a Luftwaffe perspective? Comments?? [Read More]Also; check the daily read mores, for more 1/7 topics!? Here is the fascinating story of the German WWI Cruiser, SMS Konigsberg, Comments on her fate, anyone?? [Read More]
Regards, & stay safe,
MD
BTW Any new posts for 1-7 or 1-8 in history! Comments??
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Brian Grafton
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Watched the link to Werewolf. Interesting, if desperate decision, but not, IMHO, too surprising at that point in the war. We are, after all, talking March 1945.
German cities far down the target list were being visited almost at will by this point, and were being made uninhabitable. Luftwaffe resources were dwindling; pilot training was vastly curtailed; a/c production was increasing limited to Me109s (the link mentions Bf-109s, but I think by this time in the war Willi Messerschmitt’s builder’s code (Bf) had been replaced by Me, the Nazi factory code). The 109 was a brilliant, adaptable a/c, and saw many variants, but it was not IMHO the best fighter available. It was simply the only one still being produced in numbers.
More broadly, however, there has been at least some “suicide” concept linked with warfare for centuries. The “Forlorn Hope” of breech fighters in Napoleonic times comes to mind. In naval warfare, ramming was considered an acceptable tactic. The Japanese Kamikaze attacks are well-documented (if insufficiently understood).
I believe such a discussion when on in the US Army at one point, when i was realized a chopper with a rocket could destroy a tank. The chopper (and crew) would probably be lost as well, but the logistics suggest you can swap choppers for tanks all day and come out the other end better off.
Something to think about.
Cheers. And stay safe.
Brian G
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Morris, I thought so too. At the same time, the events of Jan 6, 2021 do fit the criteria for “This Day In World History!” – at least in theory.
I think it could be discussed without political commentary, and I think such a discussion is needed outside political values. It is a topic of world-wide concern not simply as an historical event but as (perhaps) an indication of US decline or even collapse.
Sadly, MHO has had to curtail “current” political discussion. That led to a decree that “political shit was verboten”. I guess that means that we can’t discuss one of the more challenging issues of the past year.
Nonetheless, I think political issues are too sensitive on MHO. I would like that to be different. But it’s not.
Cheers. And stay safe.
Brian G
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Brian Grafton
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On this date in 1989, Emperor Hirohito of Japan died (aged 87). His death should be noted for at least two reasons, at least IMHO:
Hirohito was Emperor from 1926 until his death, which means he was a major figure of authority in Japan during most of the expansionist years in Manchuria, China, French Indochina and the attack on Pearl Harbor which lead to US involvement in WW2. It appears to have been Hirohito’s rather cryptic comments which were read as a commitment to the assault on US facilities, just as it was the need to protect him from retribution which held up the surrender of Japanese forces. And ultimately, it was his broadcast comments (a first hearing of his voice for most Japanese citizens) which signalled the Japanese surrender. His personal culpability in Japan’s military endeavours has still not been determined. He clearly had influence; the question is whether he had power or responsibility.
• Typically, like most monarchs in modern times, Hirohito’s role was largely traditional and emblematic. He had no personal power; that had been the case in Japan from the early years of the Shogunate. As was the case the monarchs of Europe at the start of WW2, he had little direct control or direction of government policy. His blessing might be a required formality, but he had little ability to act counter to the wishes of elected officials.
Think of this for a moment. He may have had no way to deny Tojo’s government their hell-bent decision to make war. At the same time, his voice alone was powerful enough to end what was becoming a civilian disaster in 1945.
Cheers. And stay safe.
Brian G
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Quote: Morris, I thought so too. At the same time, the events of Jan 6, 2021 do fit the criteria for “This Day In World History!” – at least in theory.
I think it could be discussed without political commentary, and I think such a discussion is needed outside political values. It is a topic of world-wide concern not simply as an historical event but as (perhaps) an indication of US decline or even collapse.
Sadly, MHO has had to curtail “current” political discussion. That led to a decree that “political shit was verboten”. I guess that means that we can’t discuss one of the more challenging issues of the past year.
Nonetheless, I think political issues are too sensitive on MHO. I would like that to be different. But it’s not.
Cheers. And stay safe.
Brian G
Brian and Morris,
I might also add that MD asked a question about communism. MD is one of the most enthusiastic people and striver after knowledge I have ever come across. I had to smile and remember how often one of MD´s enthusiastic innocent questions started a Donnybrook on MHO. Good times. Sad times today.
Trevor
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`Hey don´t the wars come easy and don´t the peace come hard`- Buffy Sainte-Marie
Some swim with the stream. Some swim against the stream. Me - I´m stuck somewhere in the woods and can´t even find the stupid stream.
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Michigan Dave
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Quote:Quote: Morris, I thought so too. At the same time, the events of Jan 6, 2021 do fit the criteria for “This Day In World History!” – at least in theory.
I think it could be discussed without political commentary, and I think such a discussion is needed outside political values. It is a topic of world-wide concern not simply as an historical event but as (perhaps) an indication of US decline or even collapse.
Sadly, MHO has had to curtail “current” political discussion. That led to a decree that “political shit was verboten”. I guess that means that we can’t discuss one of the more challenging issues of the past year.
Nonetheless, I think political issues are too sensitive on MHO. I would like that to be different. But it’s not.
Cheers. And stay safe.
Brian G Brian and Morris, I might also add that MD asked a question about communism. MD is one of the most enthusiastic people and striver after knowledge I have ever come across. I had to smile and remember how often one of MD´s enthusiastic innocent questions started a Donnybrook on MHO. Good times. Sad times today. Trevor
Guys,
Sorry about yesterday, after posting I thought I hope everyone just lets this go!?
My wishes now are for staying away from politics, & get back to just history minus politics!?
laissez faire,
Regards,
MD
BTW, thanks Trevor for the compliment! Perhaps someone could find another historical topic?
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Here I share the untold story of African American people history. This story contains full of pain and struggles between african american people during the period of 16th to 17th century. How the black struggles for their life and their treat as salves till days. But nowdays their treat as the humans and their also have dreams and life.
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Today i can share the story African American people history. The overwhelming of African Americans are born from enslaved ancestors who were violently transported away their African American homelands to labour in the Age Of exploration, https://www.africanamericanuts.com/.
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