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A few notes on the political article presented here:
- The author cites the "mass destructive violence of Jan. 6." While key events of Jan. 6 were certainly troubling and inappropriate, calling them 'mass destructive violence' is rather ridiculous. There was little actual, physical violence and there has been FAR more (physical) destruction in many of the 'mostly peaceful protests' (AKA riots) that the author, and/or their allies, condone/support
- The author accurately notes that, "50 lawsuits that were rejected by federal and state judges all across the land." They're correct that most of these lawsuits were unsupportable. However, the author fails to note that several similar lawsuits were validated by federal and state judges, though none would have changed the overall outcome. For one example, several courts found that (in the 2020 election) the Pennsylvania Attorney General exceeded her legal authority by unilaterally changing election deadlines, and that's far from the only example of elected/appointed officials doing such. So, as we talk about measures against 'insurrection' or overturning elections, it's also reasonable to suggest that everyone involved in the election process do their job AND act within their remit.
Jim
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morris crumley
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"The police who defended the Capital and were injured/murdered/maimed, would disagree with you." There was not one single Capital police officer killed-murdered on Jan 6. Not one. An officer died of a stroke a day or so later. It was incorrectly reported that he had been struck in the head with a fire extinguisher...the medical examiner`s report showed no head injury of any kind. That "story" has been spread repeatedly for months. Again, the only person during Jan. 6 who died as a result of being killed was a 12 year Air Force veteran woman named Ashley Babbit.
In May of 2020, while a crowd of BLM and Antifa stormed the gates of the White House, causing the President of the United States to be rushed to a "safe room" by the Secret Service, there were over 60 uniformed and plainclothes Secret Service agents injured...including many who had to be taken to hospital.........why were those violent protesters NOT called insurrectionists. Why have none of them been arrested and ensconced in the DC Jail for going on two years, without bail, some in solitary confinement, in violation of their civil and Constitutional rights?
Since the Constitution is so important regarding 'insurrectionists.....it is also supposed to protect the rights of all accused the same.
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Absolute troll.
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Quote: Name calling means I won the debate.
NY Giant,
We used to have a forum called LFF, where discussions of this nature took place. Brian W. came to the conclusion that these “discussions” were counterproductive…
I do not believe that this type of thread belongs on the board, and would discourage you from bringing up any topics that are frankly “political”.
Please feel free to PM me if you wish
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Steve Clements
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Quote: As this thread deals with the 2nd Amendment, it definitely belongs on a board of military history. As you recall, the US feared a standing army and it was with militia that was called upon to combat any insurrections and rebellions.
Threads dealing with the 2nd Amendment are the very definition of political. As you almost certainly know.
And a thread that launches a discussion on Jan. 6th is VERY political.
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Recall that the 2nd Amendment deals with the militia, which was supposed to put down insurrections, rebellions and slave rebellions
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"Drums Along the Mohawk" depicts the militia and it's role very well IMNSHO.
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IIRC, The Battle of Oriskany was a Loyalist/Iroquois victory with the Mohawk Valley militia having suffered 451 casualties, before they fell back to Fort Dayton.
You do realize that "Drums Along the Mohawk" is historical fiction.
The only real truth in the story is that the actor Henry Fonda who played Gil Martin, his family was originally from Fonda NY, and his ancestors probably accompanied General Herkimer.
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I used the American State Papers when I did that paper for my class at Purdue. I don't take ANY single source as gospel. I used to have file of OP-EDs, cartoons (from the era), and articles and letter from the period. The reason I use DAtM is because that's as far as most people need to dive.
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IIRC, the Tyron County militia walked down into a ravine and were ambushed. No skirmishers were employed by the Militia.
It was more of a civil war in the Mohawk Valley since the loyalists who accompanied St Leger once were neighbors of the men in the Militia.
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Rather ironic isn`t it. the Minutemen, Lexington militia were called out to oppose a gun and powder grab by soldiers of the Crown. They were insurrectionists, preventing the dis-arming of the populace by Guv`ment.
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Recall from American History, that tensions had been building up between the colonists and the British for some time....the Stamp Act, the Townsend Act, the Boston Massacre, the Boston Tea Party, and the Intolerable Acts.
The militia was pushed aside by British regulars.
Actually, the British were not looking for individual muskets, they were looking for gun powder and cannon.
Also recall that the Colonists had no recourse, no vote in Parliament . The FF corrected that with granting citizens the power of the vote. That same US Constitution says that the militia woujld be used to put down insurrections and rebellions against the Government.
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Gage ordered Lt Col Francis Smith to take 700 British troops and march to Concord, where the rebels were reportedly storing mass quantities of arms and ammunition. Their orders were to find the stash and destroy it. It was not limited to cannon and powder, but any and all arms including muskets and ammunition.
I also recall that one factor that the Japanese considered in a possible invasion of the US west coast was that American citizens were so well armed. And, when Japan was preparing their civilians for an allied invasion...they were training with bamboo pikes!
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WRONG!!
Gage's orders were the British would capture Colonial leaders Sam Adams and John Hancock, then Concord, where they would seize gunpowder.
Also the Japanese NEVER considered a possible invasion of the West Coast...NEVER! Thats is a canard said by the NRA.
There is no documentation to back your statement.
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NY, if you are going to make this a non-political discussion of militia`s and armed citizens...then knock off the NRA crap!
I am not WRONG. Yes they were also to make those arrests....but we were discussing armed militias...and the British were coming to grab all weapons and munitions that were hidden by the rebels...including small arms stores.
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Crumbly, when you repeat a canard told by the NRA, I have to ask, where is your documentation? Since you didn't offer any, that just proves my point.
You didn't mention anything about arresting rebels until I mentioned it.
Respectfully submitted, NYGiant
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First off, there is no "b" in Crumley. And second, since you have now brought up the NRA in four of your posts on this thread, it is clear that this was never a thread about militia`s or the Constitution...but was always meant to be a political whack on the NRA, second amendment, and Jan6......and lets keep Cunard, or any shipping lines out of this!
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That's auto correct for you!
The rest of your comment is what we call a diversion from the topic.
canard....an unfounded rumor or story.
Cunard is a shipping line.
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Gee....I thought the fact that you used "canard" with a little c-a, and I used "Cunard" capital C-u, that it would be clear it was a joke.
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2 different words.
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PUNish him!
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I have imPUNity!
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Interesting to see that no judge has thrown out a case against the insurrectionists, based on the 1st Amendment.
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That is because there is no 1st Amendment protections for acts of vandalism, or violence, or unlawful trespass, which is what took place. That applies to any and all "protests" that turn violent. It applies to Jan6...and it is supposed to apply to BLM and Antifa alike.
What is interesting is that so many charges were just dropped against individual who threatened the lives of Federal officers and officials, and damaged state and Federal buildings at an alarming level for an entire year.
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While some Black Lives Matter protests involved the destruction of private property, none attempted to thwart elections. The attempt to overturn our electoral process is a grave threat to our republic. Movements for racial justice, for the end of police brutality against Black people, do not seek to rob citizens of their rightful participation in the democratic process but rather seek to protect the brutalized
Recall what the 1st Amendment means. The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise. It protects freedom of speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Now if those grievances are not acted upon by the Government, the 1st Amendment does not protect those who try and over-throw the Government.
In fact, the only "Right" to over-throw the Government, as expressed in the Constitution, is the Right to vote.
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Quote:Quote: Name calling means I won the debate.
NY Giant, We used to have a forum called LFF, where discussions of this nature took place. Brian W. came to the conclusion that these “discussions” were counterproductive… I do not believe that this type of thread belongs on the board, and would discourage you from bringing up any topics that are frankly “political”. Please feel free to PM me if you wish s.c.
I was starting to wonder if we had another realwarsense/Angela on our hands. Haven't seen one of those for a while now.
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Looks to me like a few members have presented political threads.
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