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Larry Purtell
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Is Prigozhin toast?
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Numerous news reports stating that Yevgeny Prigozhin may have been killed in in a mysterious plane crash. From what I read at this time it's more speculation than fact. Should anyone be surprised if it is true?
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morris crumley
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Larry, Larry , Larry.....it`s just an accident. The wing fell off the plane. Happens all the time. Russians fall off of balconies, wings come off the plane, they drink stuff and glow in the dark. You know, accidental things.
Respects, Morris
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DT509er
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Claims this is the plane he was in.
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Larry Purtell
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If Prigozhin was on the plane that crashed where does that leave his private military force? Will it continue or fall apart without a benefactor?
Larry.
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George
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It looks as though the plane was full of Wagner group's leadership cadre. So Wagner's top officers may be gone.
What happens to the African contingent of Wagner? Prigozhin was in Africa yesterday (Mali???). One news report suggested that the Wagner rank and file are not happy about the possible assassination of their leader.
George
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Brian Grafton
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In order of trustlessness (why not invent a word for this thread?), I’m torn between Mr Putin, Mr Prigozhin, Wagner Group’s patriotism, Moscow new sources, and crash scene investigators. And I guess I should add video recordings.
Putin was too busy delivering a patriotic speech about the Battle of Kursk to mention the death of an erstwhile patriot. Prigoshin announced he was in Africa recently, but no conformation of this statement seems to be available. Increasingly, Wagner Group’s patriotism seems to be measured in rubles. The crash video is about as trustworthy as amateur video footage of UFOs from the 1960s. In the mean time, that particular executive jet, an Embraur (?), has had only one problem in 20+ years of service.
Something like this has been expected, of course, since early July. Particularly in the West, we have anticipated such an event. And here we are with 10 dead bodies, including some who were very senior in Wagner activities. And, of course, three crew who may just have been doing their job.
If this unravels as it appears, I won’t miss Mr Prigozhin one little bit. But I sense that this is one further step of destabilization. Keep your eye on Lukashenko (?) and poor old Belarus.
Cheers
Brian G
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Brian Grafton
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Since my rather cynical post, I received information suggestion the Embraur 600 was downed by Russian missiles. Send that over the air through ITAR Tass!
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DT509er
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Quote:Since my rather cynical post, I received information suggestion the Embraur 600 was downed by Russian missiles. Send that over the air through ITAR Tass! [Read More]Cheers Brian G
Brian, your link goes to a Gmail link?
Dan
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DT509er
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ISW reports the following; "An insider source claimed that two S-300 missiles shot down the aircraft.[6] Flight tracking data for an Embraer Legacy 600 jet (registration number RA-02795) registered to the Wagner Group stopped after 6:11pm Moscow time while over Tver Oblast.[7] Russian sources claimed that a second Wagner Group-owned Embraer jet (registration number RA-02748) departed Moscow but turned around and landed at Ostafyevo airport in Moscow around the time of the strike."
It seems that significant top people were on the plane that was hit, the second plane mentioned, were they in on the hit thus the turn around back to the airport?
Dan
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“If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment.” Lord Ernest Rutherford
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Phil Andrade
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Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest ?
King Henry the Second’s alleged outburst regarding Thomas Becket is something that comes to my mind.
Regards, Phil
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Brian Grafton
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Sorry about that, Dan. Thanks for grabbing the words out of the original for me!
Cheers
B
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Larry Purtell
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Has there been any 100% proof Prigozhin was on the jet shot down?
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DT509er
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Quote: Has there been any 100% proof Prigozhin was on the jet shot down?
Larry.
100% proof!? If Putin, and all other politicos told me it was sunny outside, I would go look, all the while keeping an eye on my back. New sources are reporting Russia has confirmed DNA belonging to Priozhin.
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Larry Purtell
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Quote:Quote: Has there been any 100% proof Prigozhin was on the jet shot down?
Larry. 100% proof!? If Putin, and all other politicos told me it was sunny outside, I would go look, all the while keeping an eye on my back. New sources are reporting Russia has confirmed DNA belonging to Priozhin. [Read More]Dan
It may be like where is Hitler? Never any defined evidence.
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DT509er
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Is Prigozhin toast? And what of the Wagner Group?
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Seems the Wagner Merc days are numbered as well; "A Wagner Group spokesperson has recommended that the mercenary fighters seek other employment now that the group can no longer take part in the war in Ukraine and faces serious competition from Russia’s Defense Ministry and National Guard in Africa and the Near East."
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