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A new version of "All Quiet on the Western Front" from Germany is coming out. It will be on NETFLIX October 28th in the U.S.
The previews look fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFqgmaO15x4
https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/all-quiet-on-the-western-front-release-date-photos
This 2022 version is in German. I'm not sure if the U.S. edition will have subtitles or be dubbed into English.
All Quiet on the Western Front is of course one of the greatest war novels of all time.
The 1st movie made in 1930 was great for its time. It won the Oscar for best picture.
The 1979 made for TV version was very good. I had a college professor who bad mouthed it because "John Boy" from the Walton's was playing the lead character. Never mind that he was a good actor. I picture Paul Baumer as being a German much like "John Boy". Smart from an average working family. If John Wayne could play Genghis Khan, well maybe that is a bad example........
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Really looking forward to this one.
Thanks for the heads up.
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This could be really good or conversely very bad. Fingers crossed its a faithful adaptation of the book. I liked both the previous versions and note that the original black and white version was grittier than the 1979 remake which was also good. I'm keen to see this new one and obviously join in the future chats about it.
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Quote: I liked both the previous versions and note that the original black and white version was grittier than the 1979 remake which was also good.
The original was very good. But 1920's special effects of course are not nearly as good as today. And it seemed like the actors where acting more like they were in a play and not a movie. Of course many early movies were like that.
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Vague memory of the original being based on the "actual combat footage done by the Signal Corps" that was actually shot by the SC after the war.
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Quote: Vague memory of the original being based on the "actual combat footage done by the Signal Corps" that was actually shot by the SC after the war.
How did they shoot ACTUAL combat footage ....... AFTER the WAR?
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They didn't. But the studio claimed they did to increase the credibility of their claim of great faithfulness to the events.
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Thanks, that makes sense.
As part of the marketing of the new movie they should add :Banned by hitler and the nazis.
I hope this is a good version, at least as good as the 1st two.
I would prefer they dub it into English. Artsy types think you should read the subtitles if you don't understand the language.
I saw Das Boot when it came out with subtitles. I also saw the version that was dubbed into English. I got just much if not more out of the English version.
When voices are dubbed into English it has to be done well. My wife watches a show from Spain that is dubbed into English. I noticed the second year it was done much better.
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So I have just finished watching this version for the second time and I am impressed.
While its quite a departure from the previous two version's (and the novel it gets its name from) it should be considered a complete different movie in its own right.
Vivid and well shot scenes with quite a visceral and hopeless edge to nearly every scene its an amazing WWI movie.
Well done.
And, I quite enjoyed the ending and Paul's death compared to the other movies however found the scenes with the German leader General Friedrich's a bit overdone.
So as far as WWI films go, I feel this should be considered in the top 10 recommended films about WWI.
Discussion is welcome.
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Quote: Thanks, that makes sense.
As part of the marketing of the new movie they should add :Banned by hitler and the nazis.
I hope this is a good version, at least as good as the 1st two.
I would prefer they dub it into English. Artsy types think you should read the subtitles if you don't understand the language.
I saw Das Boot when it came out with subtitles. I also saw the version that was dubbed into English. I got just much if not more out of the English version. When voices are dubbed into English it has to be done well. My wife watches a show from Spain that is dubbed into English. I noticed the second year it was done much better.
Agree 100% with your assessment. Some of the scenes are quite intense, I actually thought that made the movie, the story more realistic. The soundtrack is eerie but builds on the emotions. A well made adaption of this story, highly recommended to all.
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Watched the new version last week. It was very good.
I haven't read the book in a loooong time. How close did this version match up with the book?
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Its not much like the book or the previous two movies as it cuts a lot of the home front storyline out and the training component or, its very very short. More a stand alone story with the same name as the book.
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Quote: So I have just finished watching this version for the second time and I am impressed.
While its quite a departure from the previous two version's (and the novel it gets its name from) it should be considered a complete different movie in its own right.
Vivid and well shot scenes with quite a visceral and hopeless edge to nearly every scene its an amazing WWI movie.
Well done.
And, I quite enjoyed the ending and Paul's death compared to the other movies however found the scenes with the German leader General Friedrich's a bit overdone.
So as far as WWI films go, I feel this should be considered in the top 10 recommended films about WWI.
Discussion is welcome.
Cheers
I agree. Have wacthed it twice now as well and find that it is a very good depcition of WW1 and the madness. Especially the end where the German general wants onelast push just before the armistice really just underlines the pointlessness of it all.
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As visceral drama, depicting the harrowing aspects of war - and that war especially- I think it was a triumph.
Humanity and horror on parade, the camaraderie between soldiers, the banter and humour that kept men afloat in dreadful circumstances : these were well depicted, and the quality of the acting and the visual impact were of a high order.
Here comes the “ but”……
To have depicted combat of that scale and intensity on the last day of the war - indeed, in the last minutes- was preposterous. Men did of course die right up to the last minute, but the fighting had degenerated into affairs of outposts and rearguard actions, with mobile warfare replacing the huge static battles that had raged in the earlier years of the war.
Even by 1917, battlefields had been defined by crater fields and concrete strongpoints, and the images of men crammed into deep and well revetted trenches were an invention of folklore and movie makers.
So I got a bit agitated by the film’s depiction of an apocalyptic battle raging between obsolete trench lines in the last minutes of a war that had developed some “ modern “ attributes by that time.
Regards, Phil
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Quote: Here comes the “ but”……
To have depicted combat of that scale and intensity on the last day of the war - indeed, in the last minutes- was preposterous. Men did of course die right up to the last minute, but the fighting had degenerated into affairs of outposts and rearguard actions, with mobile warfare replacing the huge static battles that had raged in the earlier years of the war.
Even by 1917, battlefields had been defined by crater fields and concrete strongpoints, and the images of men crammed into deep and well revetted trenches were an invention of folklore and movie makers.
So I got a bit agitated by the film’s depiction of an apocalyptic battle raging between obsolete trench lines in the last minutes of a war that had developed some “ modern “ attributes by that time.
Regards, Phil
Good point Phil,
Witness accounts also describe that German soldiers were no longer following orders from officiers. In some cases ripping off their epaulettes. Command had completely broken down and battlefield decisions were being made by NCO´s who were focused on the survival of their small units. There is, IMHO, a comparison with the ANV retreat from Richmond. Hungry, exhausted, knowing you have lost with no idea how your family is coping back home, wanting to survive but still fighting until Marse Robert says it´s okay to stop and go home. The "Stab in the back" myth did not really take hold until after the massive disappointment of the Versailles Treaty. The reality was swept away in denial.
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Who do you think that caricatured German general was meant to be, Trevor ?
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Quote: Who do you think that caricatured German general was meant to be, Trevor ?
Regards, Phil
Can´t think of anyone. Seems to be a mirror image of "Lions led by Donkeys". The rigid Prussian aristocratic "von and zu" general.
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On November 10, 1928, the first installment of All Quiet on the Western Front, Erich Maria Remarque’s acclaimed novel of World War I, appears in the German magazine Vossische Zeitung.
Remarque (born Erich Paul Remark) was born in 1898 in lower Saxony to a family of French ancestry; he enlisted in the German army at the age of 18 and headed to fight on the Western Front, where he was wounded five times, the last time seriously. Returning to Germany after the war, he changed his name back to the French spelling and worked various jobs–teacher, stonecutter, race-car driver, sports journalist–while working on his first novel.
The protagonist of that novel, All Quiet on the Western Front–its German title, Im Westen nichts Neues literally translates as In the West Nothing New–is Paul Baumer, a young German soldier fighting in the trenches of World War I. The story opens in 1917, when half of Baumer’s company—many of them schoolmates from back in Germany—has been killed in battle. Over the course of the book, Paul himself is injured and hospitalized, goes home on leave and returns to the front, only to be killed a week or so before the armistice in 1918.
From November 10 to December 9, 1928, All Quiet on the Western Frontwas published in serial form in Vossische Zeitung magazine. It was released in book form the following year to smashing success, selling a million and a half copies that same year. Although publishers had worried that interest in the Great War had waned more than 10 years after the armistice, Remarque’s realistic depiction of trench warfare from the perspective of young soldiers struck a chord with the war’s survivors—soldiers and civilians alike—and provoked strong reactions, both positive and negative, around the world. Eventually translated into over 20 languages, the novel was adapted into an acclaimed American film in 1930.
With All Quiet on the Western Front, Remarque emerged as an eloquent spokesperson for a generation that had been, in his own words, “destroyed by war, even though it might have escaped its shells.” Remarque’s harshest critics, in turn, were his countrymen, many of whom felt the book denigrated the German war effort, and that Remarque had exaggerated the horrors of war in order to further his pacifist agenda. Not surprisingly, the strongest voices against Remarque came from the emerging National Socialist (Nazi) Party, an ultranationalist group in Germany led by the future fuhrer, Adolf Hitler. In 1933, when the Nazis rose to power, All Quiet on the Western Front became one of the first “degenerate” books to be publicly burnt.
Remarque would go on to publish nine more novels, all dealing with the horror and futility of war and the struggle to understand its purpose. His last novel, The Night in Lisbon, was unsparing in its condemnation of World War II as Adolf Hitler’s attempt to perpetrate the extermination of Jews and other “non-people” on behalf of the “master race.” After his German citizenship was revoked in 1938, Remarque emigrated to the United States, becoming a naturalized citizen in 1947. A frequent participant in New York City nightlife in the 1930s and a companion for several years in Hollywood of the actress Marlene Dietrich, Remarque lived for most of his later life at Porto Ronco, on the shore of Lake Maggiore in Switzerland. He died at Locarno in 1970 with his wife, the actress Paulette Goddard, at his side.
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Quote: As visceral drama, depicting the harrowing aspects of war - and that war especially- I think it was a triumph.
Humanity and horror on parade, the camaraderie between soldiers, the banter and humour that kept men afloat in dreadful circumstances : these were well depicted, and the quality of the acting and the visual impact were of a high order.
Here comes the “ but”……
To have depicted combat of that scale and intensity on the last day of the war - indeed, in the last minutes- was preposterous. Men did of course die right up to the last minute, but the fighting had degenerated into affairs of outposts and rearguard actions, with mobile warfare replacing the huge static battles that had raged in the earlier years of the war.
Even by 1917, battlefields had been defined by crater fields and concrete strongpoints, and the images of men crammed into deep and well revetted trenches were an invention of folklore and movie makers.
So I got a bit agitated by the film’s depiction of an apocalyptic battle raging between obsolete trench lines in the last minutes of a war that had developed some “ modern “ attributes by that time.
Regards, Phil
I agree Phil just watched it, I do wonder though if the film was more concerned with making the point that war is madness brought upon the masses by cushioned ignorant leaders and prosecuted by a professional soldier class that only know war as means to make a living ( just as a cobbler fixes shoes) depicted by the German General that was mentioned. Im not sure if historical accuracy was the films intention in the end of the film but making a point how easy it is to manipulate the masses for god and country into violence even when knowing its hopeless. I thought the last scenes with Baumer trudging towards the French trenches was powerful something seemed to be guiding him, the viewer expected he would be the first to crouch behind a birm and stop or play dead and just wait till 11 am after seeing all his friends die but he fought till the end, and his death was neither noble or courageous it was a tragedy and a waste.
I found the scene where Baumer stabbed the French soldier to death and then tries to save him as his humanity comes back in the artillery crater powerful as well. He looks through the French soldiers wallet and finds pictures of his wife and kids and the Frenchman is suddenly humanized and not the monster he was told he fighting. Very depressing movie and what makes it even more depressing in just 21 more years the war will be fought again. I have shoes that old. Ill just say I agree Phil there were historical inaccuracies I found myself questioning the condition of the German trenches they looked liked sloppy allied trenches not the more elaborate German ones but after I watched it, I realized it was a based on a novel trying to make a point and I may be looking in the wrong direction.
And even today young Russians are being told that Ukrainians are Nazis, Satanists, and now I'm hearing ultra liberals will sweep in western values into Russia that respect gay rights to motivate the youth of Russia to protect the motherland and its values. The lie continues in 2022 and more trenches are being dug as I type all across Ukraine.
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Quote: I do wonder though if the film was more concerned with making the point that war is madness brought upon the masses by cushioned ignorant leaders and prosecuted by a professional soldier class that only know war as means to make a living as depicted by the German General that was mentioned. Im not sure if historical accuracy was the films intention in the end of the film but making a point how easy it is to manipulate the masses for god and country into violence even when knowing its hopeless.
Place Putins and his ogres names in there, modernize the script for 2022 and ta-da.
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Yes Dan I was thinking that throughout the whole movie.
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Quote: As visceral drama, depicting the harrowing aspects of war - and that war especially- I think it was a triumph.
Humanity and horror on parade, the camaraderie between soldiers, the banter and humour that kept men afloat in dreadful circumstances : these were well depicted, and the quality of the acting and the visual impact were of a high order.
Here comes the “ but”……
To have depicted combat of that scale and intensity on the last day of the war - indeed, in the last minutes- was preposterous. Men did of course die right up to the last minute, but the fighting had degenerated into affairs of outposts and rearguard actions, with mobile warfare replacing the huge static battles that had raged in the earlier years of the war.
Even by 1917, battlefields had been defined by crater fields and concrete strongpoints, and the images of men crammed into deep and well revetted trenches were an invention of folklore and movie makers.
So I got a bit agitated by the film’s depiction of an apocalyptic battle raging between obsolete trench lines in the last minutes of a war that had developed some “ modern “ attributes by that time.
Regards, Phil
I have to disagree here Phil with your paragraph 'Here comes the "But" Major attacks were still going on up until the last minute. In fact both the Americans and Canadians were involved in costly and pointless (?) actions prior to the 11th hour (the American attacks going just past). Along the line both British and Australian units (those not withdrawn for rest after the 100 days effort) were still fighting minor skirmish actions but how many of these were pushed hard is a matter for debate. Some Australian battalion diaries are quite frank in their dismissal of final orders from GHQ and knowing the sentiment of those on the line, they would have likely simply ignored the orders anyway or come up with a 'communications' excuse to not follow them and save further pointless casualties. Just my thoughts and apologies I cannot recall the US units involved in the costly last attacks. Cheers
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