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anemone
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The Fatal Touchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/5/2018 9:02:22 AM
How did the murder of Franz Ferdinand lead to a world war, June-August 1914?????
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1. Austria declares war
What was Austria-Hungary to do? It is important to realise that Austria hated Serbia anyway. Nationalism threatened the very existence of the 'polyglot empire', and the Austrian Chief of Staff General Hotzendorf had asked for a 'surprise' war to destroy Serbia more than 25 times in the eight years after 1906.So the assassination was used by Austria as an opportunity to sort out the Serbs:5 July: Austria-Hungary approached the Germans and got a promise (the so-called 'blank cheque') that they could rely on Germany's support.

23 July: The Austro-Hungarian government sent Serbia an ultimatum containing ten really tough demands. Failure to meet all of these demands, they said, would result in war. (They expected Serbia to reject the ultimatum, which would give Austria-Hungary an excuse to invade.)

25 July: But the Serb government did not reject the ultimatum. Instead it sent a reply in which it agreed to everything EXCEPT part of demand 6. It was SO conciliatory that, after reading it, Kaiser Wilhelm wrote on 28 July: 'the reply amounted to a capitulation in the humblest style, and with it there disappeared all reason for war'.

28 July: Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia

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Michigan Dave
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/5/2018 4:11:47 PM
Hi Jim,

I'm sure you know about the wrong turn his carriage took which delivered Prince Ferdinand to be right in front of his assassin!

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Talk about bad luck, the rest is history!?

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anemone
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/6/2018 4:43:11 AM
Yes Dave I do-another twist of fate ;but it was the remarkable domino effect on other European countries,each with a treaty of some sort that caused the entire continent to erupt into flames.

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George
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/6/2018 7:04:10 AM
Yes, nationalism tinged with militarism plus a knotted scheme of alliances certainly allowed the possibility of war to simmer on the pot.

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George

anemone
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/6/2018 7:52:44 AM
Franz Ferdinand, their declarations of war produced a domino effect. CNN lists these key developments:

June 28, 1914 - Gavrilo Princip assassinates Franz Ferdinand.
July 28, 1914 - Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia.
August 2, 1914 - Ottoman Empire (Turkey) and Germany sign a secret treaty of alliance.
August 3, 1914 - Germany declares war on France.
August 4, 1914 - Germany invades Belgium, leading Britain to declare war0001n German
August 10, 1914 - Austria-Hungary invades Russia.

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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/6/2018 3:17:48 PM

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A bust of Princip was erected by the locals in Tovariševo, Serbia on 21 April 2014, unveiled by filmmaker Emir Kusturica and writer Matija Bećković. A statue was erected in East Sarajevo on the centenary of the assassination in 2014.

A statue of Princip was erected in Belgrade on the symbolic Vidovdan, 28 June 2015, unveiled by President of Serbia Tomislav Nikolić and President of Republika Srpska Milorad Dodik, as a gift from Republika Srpska to Serbia. At the unveiling Nikolić gave a speech, saying in part: "Princip was a hero, a symbol of liberation ideas, tyrant-murderer, idea-holder of liberation from slavery, which spanned through Europe". (Wikipedia)


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Riaindevoy
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/6/2018 4:57:58 PM
The big problem was the mobilisation-offensive plans the Continental powers all had, they couldn't let their opponents get the jump on them. These assumptions drove 'diplomacy' during the July crisis.
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anemone
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/7/2018 4:14:21 AM
TRussia and France were not ready for a war while Germany was. Russia was to complete its strategic rail line by 1917, after which Germany could not afford to provoke a war. Now was the best time for - European domination?

Why would the Germans want to dominate Europe? It makes no sense to think that while my grandfather was still alive Germany wanted to subdue France and Russia and the whole of Europe only maybe 50 years after Napoleon. Was there any other reason or was it simply a savage desire to subdue and dominate Europe?


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Michigan Dave
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/7/2018 8:56:08 AM

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TRussia and France were not ready for a war while Germany was. Russia was to complete its strategic rail line by 1917, after which Germany could not afford to provoke a war. Now was the best time for - European domination?

Why would the Germans want to dominate Europe? It makes no sense to think that while my grandfather was still alive Germany wanted to subdue France and Russia and the whole of Europe only maybe 50 years after Napoleon. Was there any other reason or was it simply a savage desire to subdue and dominate Europe?


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Jim
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Jim,

Why indeed! That is the $50,000 dollar question!!?????

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anemone
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/7/2018 9:38:47 AM
Dave

As the plans are revealed for events to mark the centenary of the start of the war in August next year people still do not understand why Britain got involved in 1914, it is said.

In a style reminiscent of the infamous Fawlty Towers sketch “don’t mention the war”, people are now too afraid to point the finger of blame directly at mainland Europe, Sir Max said today.

No one predicted the horrors of the four year war in which nearly 10 million soldiers were killed, and there is still some debate as to what lay behind the bloody conflict.

Decade long tensions in Europe over the arms race, political alliances, and a growing sense of nationalism all came to a head when the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was assassinated in Sarajevo in June 1914 by Serbian nationalist Gavrilo Princip.

But even after the shocking event war was not inevitable, and it was the subsequent actions of Germany and Austria which threw Europe into some of its darkest days, it is claimed.

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Riaindevoy
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/7/2018 5:36:57 PM
Social Darwinism was a big thing back then, the idea that in a zero-sum game nations that didn't grow would wither and die. On top of that Germany did face major threats/rivals/enemies on both borders, unlike other European powers. When you mix a late forming, late colonising, insecure country then your worldview can be a bit assertive.

But lets not get too hung up on Germany, all the European powers had plans for extra-territorial conquest; the French wanted Alsace-Lorraine back and coveted the Rhineland and immediately invaded A-L. Similarly Russia wanted to make gains in the East and immediately invaded Eat Prussia and occupied about 1/3 of the province, complete with deportations and other atrocities.
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Re: The FatalTouchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/8/2018 3:56:50 AM
The Schlieffen Plan was the operational plan for a designated attack on France once Russia, in response to international tension, had started to mobilise her forces near the German border. The execution of the Schlieffen Plan led to Britain declaring war on Germany on August 4th, 1914.However-as is known Russia was sufficiently ready and hainvaded East Perussia-so Germany had an unwanted two front war

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Mike Johnson
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Re: The Fatal Touchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/8/2018 9:25:43 AM
anemone, pretty good summary of the road to war.

My only objection (not to you but to a common error I think in history books) is the so-called 'blank cheque'. I read that message not in terms of full support but rather as a warning--do whatever you are going to do quickly before Russia can get mobilized. Everybody in Europe knew Austria-Hungary had to respond to the assassination of the Archduke. And everybody knew Russia was the patron of Serbia.

The problem was that A-H was not capable of doing anything against Serbia quick enough to have it be a fait accompli before the Russian machine could get moving.

anemone
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Re: The Fatal Touchpaper which ignited the Great War
Posted on: 1/8/2018 1:07:27 PM
Thanks Mike-you are of course absolutely correc--tUnion between Austria and Hungary took place in 1867. Overall political authority was held by Emperor Franz Josef. Over 51 million people lived in the 675,000 square kilometres of the empire. The two largest ethnic groups were Germans (10 million) and Hungarians (9 million). There were also Poles, Croats, Bosnians, Serbians, Italians, Czechs, Ruthenes, Slovenes, Slovaks and Romanians. Overall, fifteen different languages were spoken in the Austro-Hungarian empire.

Austria and Hungary shared the same currency but other state functions rested with the national governments. Both states had unelected upper houses and elected lower houses of parliament. Hungarian politicians complained that the Austrian parliament was too powerful and that they were considered to be junior partners.

The Austro-Hungarian government feared attack from Russia . In 1879 Austro-Hungary and Germany agreed to form a Dual Alliance.

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